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New year, new hope? Can China and the U.S. reset ties after relations took a tumble over the past few years? What's the outlook for a post-COVID, post-Trump world?
Guests:
Prof. Zhao Dingxin, founding director of the Center for Advanced Study in Humanities and Social Sciences at Zhejiang University, he's also a Max Palevsky Professor at the University of Chicago;
Brandon Blackburn-Dwyer, president of the consulting company, Grasshopper Strategies.