Australian Prime Minister Anthony Albanese has confirmed his 4-day visit to China, which will begin on Saturday. Albanese will be the first top Australian government leader to visit China since 2016 during a time of thawing relations between the two countries. What is the state of China-Australia relations now? What can be expected from the upcoming visit? And what are the challenges going forward during this time of increasing global uncertainties? Guests in this episode are Geoff Raby, former Australian ambassador to China; and Chen Hong, professor at East China Normal University.