In an exclusive interview, Centre for European Reform Director Charles Grant unravels the complexities between China, the U.S. and the EU, exploring divergent interests and perspectives. He says the EU cares about what China does, much more than the U.S., which cares more about what China is. The reverse is true as well, because China would be very happy if Europe develops a stronger geopolitical entity different from the United States to help create a multi-polar world.