Sixty years ago, Chairman Mao Zedong and General Charles de Gaulle made the historic and courageous decision to establish diplomatic ties, opening the door to exchanges and cooperation between China and the West. Why have China and France always been at the forefront of China's relations with Western countries over the past decades? In a world of increasing anti-globalization and right-wing populist forces, how can Sino-French relations maintain that original spirit of bravery and wisdom? With Chinese President Xi Jinping about to commence his state visit to France, CGTN's Xu Qinduo talks to Chinese and French scholars and entrepreneurs about China-France relations with all its achievements and challenges.