Editor's Note: In 2024, trade between China and ASEAN reached 6.99 trillion yuan (US$962.98 billion), and China has remained ASEAN's largest trading partner for sixteen consecutive years, while ASEAN has been China's top trading partner for five consecutive years. What to expect from this "substantive" and "dynamic" relation going forward? How does it fit into a closer China-ASEAN community with a shared future? In this episode of Leaders Talk, Wang Guan sits down with Kao Kim Hourn, Secretary-General of ASEAN, to discuss how the relationship has been evolving both in width and depth and what future opportunities lie ahead, especially in the digital and green economy.