Editor's Note: The world is undergoing a profound transformation. Can the international system become more democratic and equitable? And what role can China and Europe play in shaping a more inclusive global order? On The Hub, Wang Guan speaks with George Katrougalos, Independent Expert of the United Nations Human Rights Council on the promotion of a democratic and equitable international order, and former Foreign Minister of Greece. The interview moves from the reshaping global order and the Global South's rise in a multipolar world, to China-Europe relations and European political integration, and on to UN reform and China's Global Governance Initiative.